Covid-19 Ivermectin

jest5

Guru
18. avg 2007
26.537
-8.871
113
Ampak ne, cepljenje se nam vsiljuje na vsak način, tudi zdaj, ko že prihajajo ven dokazi, da prebolevnost prinaša dolgotrajno imunost, ker protitelesa NISO edini imunski odziv, ki človeka varuje proti virusu.
Ne boš verjel, ampak pri cepivu se zgodi popolnoma enako. Ozeroma ne enako, ampak imaš večinoma boljši odziv, kot pri prebolevanju. Jp, dokazano.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: jonny77

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113
Tudi to ni nujno. Namreč prebolenje oz cepljenje sprožita drug sistem imunskega odziva. Cepljenje bolj specifičnega na določen sev, prebolevnost pa bolj splošnega in ni tako odvisen od seva.
V obeh primerih ni to nič slabega in se lahko brez problema prebolevnost enači s cepljenjem.

Sicer pa to ne paše v to temo.
 

tsunami

Majstr
6. jun 2008
1.492
308
83

Od 9. minute naprej, upokojena virologinja dr. Ana Gligić, prebolevnost prinaša boljšo imunost od cepilske in cepljenje prebolelih je nesmisel.

Sicer, da prebolevnost prinaša boljšo imunost je veljalo vse do pojava te nove "ebole".
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: jonny77 in AndY1

jest5

Guru
18. avg 2007
26.537
-8.871
113
Sicer, da prebolevnost prinaša boljšo imunost je veljalo vse do pojava te nove "ebole"
Če gledaš selektivno, potem to drži. V realnosti pa ne popolnoma.

Določeni virusi, med katere spadajo tudi korona virusi, zavirajo delovanje imunskega sistema. Zato je odziv le tega slabši, kot ob odzivu na cepivo.
 
19. jul 2007
2.950
1.664
113
Tudi to ni nujno. Namreč prebolenje oz cepljenje sprožita drug sistem imunskega odziva. Cepljenje bolj specifičnega na določen sev, prebolevnost pa bolj splošnega in ni tako odvisen od seva.
V obeh primerih ni to nič slabega in se lahko brez problema prebolevnost enači s cepljenjem.

Sicer pa to ne paše v to temo.
V realnosti pa tudi ni vprašanje, kaj nudi boljšo zaščito (po absolutnih kriterijih) ampak risk/benefit analiza, ki vključuje tudi tveganja.

Primer takšne analize (s povsem izmišljenimi številkami).
Prebolevnost nudi zaščito, ki bi jo ovrednotil s 100 točkami, cepljenje nudi zaščito, ki jo ovrednotiš s 95 točkami.
Prebolevnost ima številna tveganja, ki jih ovrednotiš s 298 točkami. Cepljenje ima tveganja, ki jih ovrednotiš s 13 točkami.
Prebolevnost ima risk/benefit indeks 0,34. Cepljenje ima risk/benefit indeks 7,31.

Pri učinkovitosti prebolevanja iščemo decimalke (če sploh) glede na cepljenje, pri nevarnosti obolevanja pa vemo da je prebolevanje za nekaj velikostnih razredov bolj nevarno.
 

Ytbnd

Guru
2. mar 2010
17.116
6.123
113
Dej ene 10x počasi preberi, kaj sem napisal.
Pa res počasi. In probej zraven tudi kaj razmišljati. Tko izven tvojega mehurčka
Peru po novem štetju več kot podvojil število covidnih žrtev

Mimogrede, Peru je lani imel verjetno najdaljši in najbolj strog lockdown. Toliko o tem, koliko je zapiranje učinkovito. Ja, verjetno je bilo res učinkovito pri ustvarjanju višje smrtnosti - glede nato, da so imeli prepoved zapuščanja domov, razen v nujnih primerih, verjetno veliko ljudi niti ni poiskalo zdravniške pomoči, ko bi jo potrebovali(ne samo zaradi covida)..


CLIO15
Florida, Teksas.
 

jest5

Guru
18. avg 2007
26.537
-8.871
113
Peru po novem štetju več kot podvojil število covidnih žrtev

Mimogrede, Peru je lani imel verjetno najdaljši in najbolj strog lockdown. Toliko o tem, koliko je zapiranje učinkovito. Ja, verjetno je bilo res učinkovito pri ustvarjanju višje smrtnosti - glede nato, da so imeli prepoved zapuščanja domov, razen v nujnih primerih, verjetno veliko ljudi niti ni poiskalo zdravniške pomoči, ko bi jo potrebovali(ne samo zaradi covida)..
Zanimivo kako te tokrat ne moti sprememba načina štetja.
Ker sedaj štejejo tudi nepotrjene primere, ki bi lahko bili povezani s korono.

Ko je treba nabijati vse pride prav ane :zmaga:
 

jest5

Guru
18. avg 2007
26.537
-8.871
113
Fenomenalen intervju, vreden vsake minute. Hvala!
Sej pol tole si tudi pogledal ane?

 

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113
Sem kar tukaj končal:

Lina said that “we have the feeling today that the vaccine induces better immunity than certain natural infections.”

He said that for people with less symptomatic bouts of Covid-19, “we observe a rapid loss of antibody titer, and therefore a potential for reinfection faster than that observed with vaccination.”

The Pasteur Institute’s Schwartz also confirmed that people who have contracted Covid-19 have an interest in being vaccinated “because the antibody level decreases in all people.”

Ta lajna o protitelesih, za katere vemo, da niso edina obramba imunskega sistema, postaja že stara.

Lej, vsi imamo svoje mnenje. Vsekakor dajem večjo težo frontline zdravnikom, ki dejansko delajo s pacienti in zdravijo Covid, kot pa fact-checkerjem, ki slepo ubogajo navodila regulatorjev.
Mimogrede, ti isti fact-checkerji so eno leto zanikali možen izvor virusa iz laboratorija v Vuhanu.

Če pa imaš čas, ti pa priporočam ogled videa. Res je dolg, je pa vsekakor zanimiv.
 

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113
Tako kot je boljši odgovor glede protiteles, tako je boljši tudi glede ostalega.
Je pa jasno protitelesa najlažje izmeriti.
Kako je pa pri drugih cepivih? Recimo takih, ki so obvezna in enkratna.

Se njihova učinkovitost skozi čas tudi meri le v količini protiteles?
 

jest5

Guru
18. avg 2007
26.537
-8.871
113
Kako je pa pri drugih cepivih? Recimo takih, ki so obvezna in enkratna.

Se njihova učinkovitost skozi čas tudi meri le v količini protiteles?
Odvisno od zadeve proti kateri se cepiš.
Žal ni vse isti šmoren, ki bi ga lahko zbasal v en predalček. Odziv na različne viruse/bakterije/... je različen in za vsako je potrebna drugačna obramba. Nekje so protitelesa ata in mama, drugje niso tako pomembna
 

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113

Case study: Policy intervention in Mexico City Increase in COVID-19 cases and with critical levels of hospital saturation during December 2020 Mexico City Government decided to expand population-based health Interventions Implementation of a prehospital home-care program Combining early detection with antigen tests 230 kiosks Phone-based follow up for positive patients Since 28 December, 2020, medical ivermectin kits have been provided to positive mild to moderate symptomatic patients Dyspnea, chest pain or cyanosis, referred to a hospital Ivermectin, four 6mg tablets, two pills for two days After one month, 83,000 medical kits delivered Detailed data was collected on the evolution of patient illnesses Quasi-experimental evaluation of the effects of the medical kits on hospitalization Kit receivers and non-kit receivers Matched observations, adjusting by age, sex, COVID severity, and comorbidities Controls, N = 156,468 patients with COVID-19 infection before implementing the ivermectin program Experimental group, n = 77,381 after the implementation Outcome variable: whether or not the person was hospitalized Results Negative and significant effect of the ivermectin-based medical kit on the probability of hospitalization Effect ranges from 50% to 76% Difference in hospitalization odds between treated and untreated patients, statistically significant in all cases As expected, the effect of the medical kits is higher and stronger among males, in older patients, and in cases without severe symptoms Discussion and limitations we found that the medical kit given en masse to patients who’d tested positive in Mexico City had a negative, significant, and robust effect on their odds of being hospitalized. Independently of the medical telephone follow, level of hospital occupancy, specific period of time Similar trend, Perú (Chamie-Quintero Et Al, 2021). Principal mechanisms, reduction of viral load, in the patients that take ivermectin in early stages of the disease



25 states of Peru Grouped by extent of IVM distributions Maximal, medium, minimal Reductions in excess deaths (30 days after peak deaths) maximal, 74% medium, 53% minimal, 25% Reduction of excess deaths is correlated with extent of IVM distribution by state p less than 0.002 This strongly suggests that IVM treatments can likewise effectively complement immunizations to help eradicate COVID-19. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains.



Uttar Pradesh government, first to have introduced a large-scale “prophylactic and therapeutic” use of Ivermectin Helped the state to maintain a lower fatality and positivity rate as compared to other states Health Department introduced Ivermectin as prophylaxis for close contacts of Covid patients, August 6, 2020 Agra, Dr Anshul Pareek and State Surveillance Officer Vikssendu Agrawal Administered Ivermectin to all RRT team members in Agra None of them developed Covid-19 Despite being in daily contact Despite being the state with the largest population base and a high population density, we have maintained a relatively low positivity rate and cases per million of population Lower positivity and fatality rates may be attributed to the large-scale use of Ivermectin use UP


 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: tsunami

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113

Conclusions There were significantly lower viral loads and viable cultures in the ivermectin group, which could lead to shortening isolation time in these patients.

The study is registered at ClinicalTrials.gov NCT 044297411.

Results Eighty-nine patients were eligible (47 in ivermectin and 42 in placebo arm). Their median age was 35 years. Females accounted for 21·6%, and 16·8% were asymptomatic at recruitment. Median time from symptom onset was 4 days. There were no statistical differences in these parameters between the two groups.

On day 6, 34 out of 47 (72%) patients in the ivermectin arm reached the endpoint, compared to 21/ 42 (50%) in the placebo arm (OR 2·62; 95% CI: 1·09-6·31). In a multivariable logistic-regression model, the odds of a negative test at day 6 was 2.62 time higher in the ivermectin group (95% CI: 1·06–6·45). Cultures at days 2 to 6 were positive in 3/23 (13·0%) of ivermectin samples vs. 14/29 (48·2%) in the placebo group (p=0·008).
 
Nazadnje urejeno:

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.152
4.123
113
Indijska zvezna drzava Tamil Nadu v kateri je njen guverner(?) prepovedal uporabo Ivermectina:

Tamil Nadu adds all-time high 20,768 new Covid-19 cases; 153 deaths​



Tamil Nadu on Sunday reported a all-time high of 20,768 new COVID-19 cases pushing the caseload to 12,07,112 while the death toll rose to 14,346 with 153 fatalities, according PTI.

According to the Health department, recoveries mounted to 10,72,322 Sunday with 17,576 patients being discharged, leaving 1,20,444 active cases.

The number of samples tested stood at 1,43,083, pushing the cumulative number of specimens examined so far to 2,29,56,942.

Tukaj pade teorija od jest5, da ukrepi in podnebje vplivata na padec okuzb v Indiji.

Zvezne drzave, kjer so zacele uporabljati Ivermectin s koncem aprila belezijo strm padec okuzb, med tem, ko zvezna drzava, ki ga je prepovedala, belezi rekordne okuzbe.