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Uporabnik zino je napisal:

v bistvu imajo antovaksari ene 3 stavke/stvari, na katere se nonstop obračajo, in to je to. flaterterji jih imajo pa enih 20.

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Uporabnik Utisevalec je napisal:

Ne vem kaj je problem. Sam tudi izpolnjujem PCT pa sem proti pavšalističnim in fašističnim PCT ukrepom. A je treba bit anti PCT da vidiš da je PCT pri nas bedarija, nesmisel in predvsem odgovorni sami ne vejo kaj počnejo (bog naj jim odpusti)?

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Uporabnik bertoncl je napisal:

Marsikaj pri nas je bedarija in nesmisel, sploh odkar traja covid. Ampak PCT za moje pojme ni nič proti tistemu sranju lansko leto, če je slučajno kdo pozabil na zapiranje v občine, pa pol leta policijske ure.

Kaj te pa pri PCT moti? Razne "bencinska črpalka" neumnosti ali na splošno?

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Uporabnik javr je napisal:

Petrol v sodelovanju z vlado:
naročim nekaj iz njihovega kataloga;
po nekaj dneh dobim obvestilo da lahko naročeno prevzamem v poslovalnici
ali rabim ptc ? DA !
saj je že plačano - naj mi postavijo pred vrata
NE, ker morate podpisati prevzemnico.

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Uporabnik Utisevalec je napisal:

Mene moti to da je PCT pogoj zanič v smislu preprečevanje epidemije in da so trenutni ukrepi samo siljenje nerizičnega folka k cepljenju (karkoli že je razlog za tole).

Če hočeš konkretno, začnimo s tem kar je sedaj "bistvo problema". Recimo to da si večino oz. celo poletje rabil PCT oz. "PCT" za v gostilno oz. da smo še bolj direktni za v diskača (mularija, povprečna starost 25 let, noben rizičen, vsi daleč od tega). Medtem ko je PCT za obiske v DSO in bolnišnice obvezen šele s pavšalnim odllokom iz 6. septembra. In zakaj sem omenil to kot aktualno? Trenutno so že v DSOjih problemi in ljudje SPET umirajo zaradi oz. s covidom (so cepljeni, celo večina ki jih umira je cepljenih).

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Uporabnik bertoncl je napisal:

Marsikaj pri nas je bedarija in nesmisel, sploh odkar traja covid. Ampak PCT za moje pojme ni nič proti tistemu sranju lansko leto, če je slučajno kdo pozabil na zapiranje v občine, pa pol leta policijske ure.

Kaj te pa pri PCT moti? Razne "bencinska črpalka" neumnosti ali na splošno?

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Uporabnik lanos je napisal:

Nemčija (preveril) ima normalno PCT,

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Uporabnik lanos je napisal:

Kolk so mi povedali vse, ki nimajo P ali C pač testirajo. Zadeva laufa brez prisile, kot pri nas.

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Uporabnik mirsi je napisal:

In kaj v Nemčiji naredijo, kadar testirajo delavca, ki dela od doma in je pozitiven? Ga pošljejo domov al kam??????
Še to vprašaj.

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Uporabnik lanos je napisal:

a ti mene zahebavas?
Verjetno nazaj v službo

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Uporabnik mirsi je napisal:

Pct je slabši kot policijske ure, občine, zapiranje trgovin....
Pri pct-ju cepljeni okuženi trosijo virus vsepovsod, kar podaljšuje epidemijo, nihče jih ne testira in ovira pri trosenju virusa. Pri občinah, pol. urah zaprtih trgovinah so bili omejeni vsi, ki so trosili virus, pri pct pa samo necepljeni.

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We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines

Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.

www.theatlantic.com

COVID-19 vaccines were never going to give us sterilizing immunity; it’s possible they never will. But the reason isn’t just their design, or the wily nature of the virus, or heavy and frequent exposures, though those factors all play a role. It’s that sterilizing immunity itself might be a biological myth.

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Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others​

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study

Objectives Highly effective vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) have been developed but variants of concerns (VOCs) with mutations in the spike protein are worrisome, especially B.1.617.2 (Delta) which has rapidly spread across the world. We aim to study...

www.medrxiv.org

C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape...

www.geertvandenbossche.org

Contrary to live vaccines, vaccines produced by modern vaccine technologies fail to induce sterilizing immunity (*3). Failure to do so inevitably leads to selection and adaptation of more and more infectious variants and eventually forces the virus into resistance to neutralizing Abs in order to survive.

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None of the current C-19 vaccines induces sterilizing immunity. They must not be used during a pandemic for they will merely drive immune escape and erode both, innate immunity (i.e., by breeding more infectious variants that exert enhanced infectious pressure, and thereby render younger age groups more susceptible to the disease) and acquired immunity (i.e., by driving viral resistance to neutralizing Abs).

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Uporabnik Utisevalec je napisal:

........ Medtem ko je PCT za obiske v DSO in bolnišnice obvezen šele s pavšalnim odllokom iz 6. septembra. In zakaj sem omenil to kot aktualno? Trenutno so že v DSOjih problemi in ljudje SPET umirajo zaradi oz. s covidom (so cepljeni, celo večina ki jih umira je cepljenih).

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Uporabnik Ytbnd je napisal:

Da cepljeni okuženi nebi mogli širiti virus vsepovsod, bi morala cepiva dati cepljenim sterilizacijsko imunost.

We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines

Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.

www.theatlantic.com

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others​

Study: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others

In another big setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots

apnews.com

Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study

Objectives Highly effective vaccines against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) have been developed but variants of concerns (VOCs) with mutations in the spike protein are worrisome, especially B.1.617.2 (Delta) which has rapidly spread across the world. We aim to study...

www.medrxiv.org

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C-19 Pandemia: Quo vadis, homo sapiens?

As of the early days of the mass vaccination campaigns, at least a few experts have been warning against the catastrophic impact such a program could have on global and individual health. Mass vaccination in the middle of a pandemic is prone to promoting selection and adaptation of immune escape...

www.geertvandenbossche.org

4. Conclusions, future perspectives and rationale for an alternative immune intervention
By enhancing viral infectiousness, both MASSIVE crowding and MASSIVE vaccination will only contribute to promoting dominant circulation of more infectious viral variants and hence, compromise the natural immune defense system in a relatively higher fraction of the young and healthy population (i.e., as compared to the fraction affected by previous natural pandemics). This will sooner or later lead to full viral resistance to virus-neutralizing Abs and a dramatic increase in morbidity and mortality rates. There is no way the Sars-CoV-2 pandemic could be controlled by the current, imperfect C-19 vaccines. Using imperfect vaccines to control a pandemic (of a highly mutable virus causing acute, self-limiting viral infection) will only increase the toll Nature will take on human health and lives in return for regranting a license to rebuild HI.

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Uporabnik McGiver je napisal:

To si si malo zmislil oz. priredil? Večina starostnikov v DSO je cepljena - 80-90%, torej logično, da umirajo cepljeni.
Par dni nazaj so pa ravno javljali kako lep primer so DSO, kjer kljub covid okužbam, praktično vsi prebolevajo na izi, kaj šele, da bi od tega umirali.

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Uporabnik mirsi je napisal:

In kaj v Nemčiji naredijo, kadar testirajo delavca, ki dela od doma in je pozitiven? Ga pošljejo domov al kam??????
Še to vprašaj.

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