Antifriz

Mr_NO

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V Toyoto Corollo Verso 1.8 letnik 2008 moram doliti antifriz. Nimam pojma kakšnega. Alter na pomoč.
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Toyota LLC rdeči....

Zdaj pojma nimam ali je to G12+ ali je G12++....ko sem menjal vodno pumpo sem dal G12++ (mislil da kupujem G13 pa mi bil G13)

G13 je najnovejši in se meša brez posledic z vsemi.....sam mora met pa striktno VW TL 774 J oznako gor!
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Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Point here...

Perhaps I can help with the coolant issue. I researched this almost an entire day a while back. I came to the conclusion that there is a specific type of coolant that the Asian engineers decided works best in our cars. The coolant should be made out of ethylene glycols, phosphates (inorganic acid salts) with Organic Acid Technology (which makes it a Hybrid Organic Acid Technology or "HOAT"), no silicates, and no borates or amines (2-EHA is an amine). This means that most coolants on the shelf at your local auto parts store will NOT fit the bill. BUT, it does not have to be the Toyota red or pink coolant, as long as the ingredients are the same. There are a couple of non-Toyota coolant brands that I know of that fit the bill: Beck/Arnley, Pentofrost A1 (Made by a German company named Pentosin), Zerex Asian Vehicle formula (but I can't find it in concentrated; only pre-mix). There may be others, but as long as it's a phosphated OAT (HOAT) with no silicates, no borates and no amines, you are good to go. The color DOES NOT MATTER. It's just a dye. As long as the ingredients are the same, that is what counts. Do you think your Toyota can sense what color dye is in your coolant? Huh? I personally don't mix the colors, but if you do it's OK as long as the ingredients are the same. I confirmed this with a Beck/Arnley specialist who told me that their four colors (Red, Pink, Blue, Green) were actually the exact same thing (two are concentrates and two are diluted with a slightly different additive). The colors are ONLY for ease in identification of the coolants because certain auto manufacturers used certain colors. Toyota uses Red (concentrated) or Pink (diluted). The Toyota Red is forward compatible to the newer years as well. The Toyota Pink is not backwards compatible for the older years, like our Camrys. Other Asian companies may use Blue, Green, or whatever. The coolant is THE SAME. Think about it. Car company A sells their own brand of coolant that is X color. Car company B sells another that is Y color, etc. The coolants are the same, but the color dye is different. They do this on purpose to control you and manipulate you into being freaked-out about other colors so that you will buy their over-priced coolant. It's a marketing gimmick designed to burrow deeper into your wallet like a blood-sucking parasite. Follow the money, and you will find the tricksters! Just use a HOAT coolant, and you will have exactly what you need. Why pay $37 for Toyota Red when you can get Beck/Arnley or Pentofrost A1 or some other brand for $25 or even less?? Check the MSDS and see for yourself. Concentrated is more economical, so that's what I get and mix with distilled water. Hope this helps!.
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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V izogib problemom pri mešanju različnih antifrizov išče:

G12++ = vw tl 774 G
G13. = vw tl 774 J
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Brezveze je gledat te tabele....ker nakoncu ugotoviš da je vse skupaj cela zmešnjava :)

Samo še standarde gledaš al pa pač 100% vse zamenjaš ko menjaš da ni majoneze za ziher....

Ker G11 = G48.... VW TL 774 C...... Je lahko zelen ali pa lahko je plav....lahko je pa ista formulacija nekoga xyz proizvajalca pa je rumen.... :bonk:


Toyota reče Gysantine G30 (pink)

BMW Mini OneD (toyotin 1.4 D4d motor) reče pa zelen G48....

Tko da...
 

Bajkman

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Toyota reče Gysantine G30 (pink)

BMW Mini OneD (toyotin 1.4 D4d motor) reče pa zelen G48....

Tko da...

Misliš, da ni kaka razlika tudi zaradi hladilnika ali pa cevi?
Kar pa se tiče tabele od RoMeX -a, pa bolj nakazuje, kaj so imela vozila do takrat in takrat in da se naj tisto isto dodaja, da se ne bi mešali različni tipi v motorju istočasno. Pač, da ne bi dolil G30 v G11.
Potem pa se že v primeru AUDI-ja vidi, da kar na enkrat v istem vozilu od naslednjega leta prehod na G30, pa spet G40, G65. Hec je, da daš lahko drugega, novejšega tudi v starejšem vozilu, pod pogojem, da se starega najprej zelo dobro opere ven iz motorja, hladilnika, pečice, da ga nič več ne ostane.

Kamele0N in ostali, bi lahko nekaj rekli glede intervala menjave? Malo mi je misteriozno za VW TL 774 G (G12++) in VW TL 774 J (G13).

Ker vemo, da:
1.) Klasika - 2 leti
2.) VW-TL-774-C = G11 = Glysantin G48 - 3 leta
3.) VW-TL-774-D/F = G12/G12+ = Glysantin G30 - 5 let
4.) VW-TL-774-G = G12++ = Glysantin G40 - x let?
5.) VW-TL-774-J = G13 - y let?

Torej, koliko sta x in y? Pa opažam tudi VW-TL-774-L = Glysantin G65. To prvič slišim. Morda kaka razlaga, kaj za vraga je to?
 

Kamele0N

YUGOslovanski mehanik Dmitri Mendeleev
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Ja tudi sam sem včeraj videl G65 VW TL 774 L...pojma ne vem kaj bi to bilo....bom raziskal...Audi je vedno prvi dobival novitete v VAG koncernu.

Če lahko ugibam....etak gre vse v to smer....kak "filled for life" bio-eko antifriz :)

Drugače sem pa vceraj prebral foro z PH listki....ko sem bil v OŠ vem da jih je mela tovarišica učiteljica za kemijo  :srce: :norec: in da se jih je dal dobit v prosti prodaji (lekarna? DZS?)....pomocis antifriz in ko/če je ph pod 7 je zrel za menjavo! PH 14-7 je alkalno.....pod 7 je kislinsko okolje....nažira hladilnik n stuff....
 
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Hondi

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Ja tudi sam sem včeraj videl G65 VW TL 774 L...pojma ne vem kaj bi to bilo....bom raziskal...Audi je vedno prvi dobival novitete v VAG koncernu.

Če lahko ugibam....etak gre vse v to smer....kak "filled for life" bio-eko antifriz :)

Drugače sem pa vceraj prebral foro z PH listki....ko sem bil v OŠ vem da jih je mela tovarišica učiteljica za kemijo  :srce: :norec: in da se jih je dal dobit v prosti prodaji (lekarna? DZS?)....pomocis antifriz in ko/če je ph pod 7 je zrel za menjavo! PH 14-7 je alkalno.....pod 7 je kislinsko okolje....nažira hladilnik n stuff....
listke za Ph vode, akvaristika?

več težav je s črpalko, ki je mazana z antifrizom, ker nihče ne spere sistema, vsaj hladilnika, potem pa jokajo, da je nova pumpa spustila po xy kilometrih
 

Bajkman

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Kamele0N , tisto je lakmusov papir in seveda se ga dobi kjerkoli. Recimo

Hondi, jaz pa mislim da operejo, niti ni treba termostata dol, pač pa vrtno cev v povratek iz notranje pečice in zaokroži skozi njo in motor. Malo zapreš spodnjo cev parkrat, da še stene opereš, odzračevalni čepi ob tem odprti itd..
Hladilnik je pa sploh enostavno oprati.
Jaz na koncu še s kompresorjem na isto način spiham ven vodo, saj seveda ostane not in je trda.
Nato pa antifriz in destilirsno v razmerju 50:50.
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