malaysian airline part 2

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Ne, samo razne su-25, mig-29, CIA bombe izpadejo še bolj butasto.
 

Matey

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Uporabnik sajkek pravi:
ne , je pa spet en od dodatnih dokazov.

To pa ja
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Ker logične enote bukovih radarjev niso tipični poljedelski pridelki v Donbasu.

Še ena močno razkrivajoča, tale video je bil naložen 1. maja 2015, več kot leto in pol je ostal neopažen.

https://vimeo.com/126594657

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“When we got the phone call from a press officer of the separatists, he said first: “We shot down a military plane, from Ukraine and for me it was like he was giving us an information to cover this. And when we were underway, and after 15 minutes, I got a call from friends, from a journalist, I don’t remember, and he said: ‘They shot down a civilian plane in Ukraine. Where are you?’ And I asked: ‘Are your sure it’s civilian?’ And he said: ‘Yeah, yeah, we have the confirmation.’ He said: ‘Malaysian Airlines plane with two hundred people on board.’”

več:

http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/arrival-of-the-separatists-at-the-crash-sites/
 

Pac_Man

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Julij 2016, 1500 ogledov

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Recently Billy Six released new early footage, that was probably made by the aforementioned father and his daugter as well, since there’s mention of a grandmother somewhere.
In the first second of this video a man is heard saying “Спасибо Путину” (“Thanks to Putin”). Next the same voice says: “Call the fire service”. A woman’s voice says: “Phones don’t work, no electricity.” A female voice remarks: “Thank God, it landed over there”.

 

8888

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Prorusi nočejo priznati, da so letalo sestrelili separatisti. To ve cel svet, ker pa je zadaj politika smo kjer smo. Ruski fašisti so enostavno zafrknili oziroma Ukrajinci so jih peljali na led, fasali so nedolžni.
 

Matey

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Ker logične enote bukovih radarjev niso tipični poljedelski pridelki v Donbasu.

Kar je potem izjemno priročno, če na kraj dogodka mogoče nastaviš kak tak BUK del. Vsem je potem takoj jasno, da so krivi zgolj in izključno Rusi, misija uspela.

@8888 - ne pravim, da ni pogojev, da so Rusi krivi za to ampak enostavno zgolj dvomim v vsa ta uradna ZDA (ali pa USA-backed) poročila o dogodku. Po premnogih takšnih reportih, ki so se kasneje izkazala za popolno laž in zgolj kot sredstvo za doseg željenega cilja, jim pač enostavno ne verjamem več. Uradnim ruskim zgodbicam pa prav tako ne, je zadeva isto sranje.
 

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Točno, zdaj pa rusom verjamem, ker soblogerji tako eksaktno demantirali bellingcat

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8888

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Andy se mi prav smili. Separatisti so sestrelili letalo, pač pomota. Mislite da Rusi nebi kazali prste na drugo stran, če nebi vedeli za storjeno napako? Seveda bi in ZDA prav dobro vedo kdo je to storil. Problem je, ker tako eni kot drugi vedo kakšne umazanije zganjajo oboji po svetu in so tiho izključno zaradi reka, roka roko umije.
 

AndY1

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Zakaj smili? Slučajno sem prebral novico in dal link do nje tukaj.

Trenutno sem preveč z mislimi na ameriških volitvah, da bi me tole ganilo.
 
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Po pregledu dogajanja na terenu še pregled prvih medijskih poročil, MH17 je bil sestreljen ob 16:20

http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/first-statements-and-the-evolvement-of-the-su-25-narrative/

Najbolj butasta je zagotovo tale borodajeva, ki jo je objavila državna RIA Novosti:

https://ria.ru/world/20140717/1016427976.html

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"Yesli eto deystvitel'no passazhirskiy layner, to eto sdelali ne my", — zaveril Boroday. Po yego informatsii, upavshiy v Toreze samolet gorazdo men'she, chem Boeing. Krome togo, napomnil prem'yer, Kiyev zakryl nebo nad DNR i LNR dlya poletov grazhdanskikh sudov.

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"If this is a passenger liner, it did not us", - assured Boroday. According to him, the aircraft crashed in Torez much smaller than Boeing. In addition, the Prime Minister recalled, Kiev closed the sky over the DNR and LNR to civil courts.

še kopija

https://archive.is/UmqnL





Colonel Cassad, dobro znan pro-ruski vir, se je 16. julija hvalil s pomočjo v obliki Buka

http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/26716.html

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2. Strengthening of the air defense of the LPR, which allowed to lower the importance of enemy aviation significantly. The destruction of the radar station in April-May wasn't in vain. The appearance of a combat-ready "Buk" is a significant aid. The operational Su-25 is for now a cherry on a pie, but also not unnecessary.

https://archive.is/mQ7Ut
https://archive.is/662Fs
 

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V sredo bo imel JIT tiskovno konferenco, pričakuje se, da bodo precej točno določili mesto izstrelitve. To je katalizator za vse kar sledi.

Prejšnji teden je Rusija povsem naključno našla posnetke primarnega radarja, ki so celi dve leti veljali za izgubljene. Danes je njihovo obrambno ministrstvo pripravilo tiskovko, kjer so javnosti sporočili najnovejše ugotovitve. V bližini MH17 ni bilo NLP-jev, Boeing pa je strmoglavil iz neznanega vzroka. Z malo spina sicer, ampak to bi bilo bistvo.

Problemček za rusapologete je, da najnovejše izjave ruskega obrambnega ministrstva negirajo izjave ruskega obrambnega s tiskovke, ki so jo imeli 21. julija 2014 t.j. Boing je ostro spremenil smer in v bližini se je nahajal ukrajinski Su-25.

21. julij 2014

http://archive.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/0/ECD62987D4816CA344257D1D00251C76


danes:


https://www.bellingcat.com/new...-mh17-evidence/

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The Russian Defence Ministry Presents Evidence They Faked Their Previous MH17 Evidence

On July 21st 2014 the Russian Defence Ministry produced the following graphic, claiming the following: “Besides it, Russian system of air control detected the Ukrainian Air Force aircraft, purposed Su-25, moving upwards toward to the Malaysian Boeing-777. The distance between aircrafts was 3-5 kilometers.”

In today’s press conference the story had changed completely. No longer was the Russian Defence Ministry talking about SU-25s, but now there was in fact no other aircraft, or any other object close to MH17. Now we have the Russian Defence Ministry themselves confirming Bellingcat’s earlier work that demonstrated they had produced false evidence at their July 21st 2014 MH17 press conference.

In addition to this, during today’s press conference the radar data showed the flight path of MH17 in the time before it was shot down:



This flight path clearly contradicts the Russian Defence Ministry’s July 21st 2014 claims, debunked by Bellingcat and others, that MH17 had made a significant course change shortly before being shot down:


Bom še za zaključek tipkovnico prepustil kar Higginsu

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/780382220980785154

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That dull thudding noise you're hearing is the @mod_russia slapping their dick in your face and hoping you don't notice #MH17

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Pac_Man

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Predjed:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/27/mh17-inquiry-missile-launch-buk-ukraine-russia

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An international criminal investigation into the shooting down of flight MH17 is likely to conclude that the plane was downed by a Buk missile fired from separatist-controlled territory in eastern Ukraine, diplomats say.

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According to diplomatic sources, international investigators will give a precise Google location showing that the Buk was located in separatist-controlled territory, near the village of Snizhne.

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The JIT has been working on the scenario that the Buk came from the Kremlin’s 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade based in the Russian city of Kursk.

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After arriving in Snizhne on the afternoon of 17 July, the Buk was offloaded and driven to a field south of town, investigators believe. It shot down MH17 in error, believing it to be a Ukrainian army transport plane. The Buk was smuggled back across the Russian border early the next day.

The JIT’s findings are based on US satellite data, and multiple sightings of the Buk as it trundled through rebel-held areas.

“There is a wide presumption in diplomatic circles that this report will point to the involvement of pro-Russian rebels or Russia,” said Robert van de Roer, a Dutch diplomatic expert and commentator. “It will cause high waves.”

Tole se popolnoma pokriva s t.i. Bellingcatovo verzijo.
 

Pac_Man

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Se mi ne da ponavljat, zašiti so.

Ta toliko predebatirana fotografija



Je zajeta iz videa, ki je viden @3:15.

 

AndY1

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https://www.rt.com/news/360946-mh17-ukraine-fabricate-evidence/

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“Instead of [working together], international investigators suspended Moscow from comprehensive participation in the investigative process, allowing our efforts only a minor role. It sounds like a bad joke, but at the same time they made Ukraine a full member of the JIT [Joint Investigation Team], giving it the opportunity to forge evidence and turn the case to its advantage,” Zakharova added.

Ja, zelo nepristranska preiskava, not.