Covid-19 Cepiva

Evrokrat

mX's brotherPEPČEK 08
6. avg 2007
6.687
552
113
Capitale de l'Europe
europa.eu
Kje si dobil zadnjo številko a ti kar tako na pamet nabijaš?
aha, se eden, ki mu stevilke ne grejo:
1635514523348.png
 

Floki

Guru
6. sep 2007
9.876
3.001
113
Če se prav spomnim, ste zagovorniki ukrepov že lani postavljali Singapur za vzgled, češ kako stroge ukrepe imajo pa kako vsi nosijo maske.

Ja in lansko leto jim je šlo dobro, do ber mesec nazaj so sprostili del ukrepov in rezultat imajo. In nadaljnjega sproščanja glede na novice ne bo. 2/3 mrtvih za covidom pa predstavlja dober procent necepljenih starejših. Vsaj tako piše v njihoviih novicah. Mogoče imajo pa tudi tam kakšnega azijskega JJ na oblasti
 

Ytbnd

Guru
2. mar 2010
16.196
5.584
113
Ko so lani konec leta predstavljali mrna cepiva (Pfizer), so slednjega predstavljali kot računalniški program, ki ga lahko v 5 minutah spremenijo.
Zakaj torej ni nikjer delta (+) sev mrna cepiva, ampak še vedno samo za wuhanski sev (10/2019) ?


no other mRNA vaccine has ever appeared in just a couple weeks. they take years (unless you were already way ahead on the work.) the payload for moderna came from the NIH. pfizer’s came from bioNtech, a tiny EU co that just happened to get a huge pile of bill gates money in the fall of 2019.

and even now, they cannot build a booster that’s based on delta. so how do you nail the first one in a couple weeks in two different places and then sit unable to to the next one anywhere on earth for 6-9 months?


Coronavirus: Dr David Bauer interview / Francis Crick Institute GVs; ENGLAND: London: King's Cross: Francis Crick Institute: INT Dr David Bauer (Francis Crick Institute) interview SOT (1 of 2) Q: Looking at vaccines, what have you found? - So they key message from our finding Pfizer, those who have had 2 doses, have 5-6 fold lower of the neutralising antibodies. Block virus from getting into cells in first place. 1 dose less likely to have See older you are, lower levels likely to be Time since 2nd jab, lower likely to be Shows need to prioritise boosters for older. Q: How long did this take? - One of things Crick can do well, bring people from lots of disciplines. Virologist, immunologists, with statisticians and data programmers. Able to get virus from NHS lab, via Imperial College. Once virus in house, virus to data in 3-5 days
 

mosseero

fizik´alc
3. sep 2007
19.317
9.684
113
kod Džej-Zija
Ko so lani konec leta predstavljali mrna cepiva (Pfizer), so slednjega predstavljali kot računalniški program, ki ga lahko v 5 minutah spremenijo.
Zakaj torej ni nikjer delta (+) sev mrna cepiva, ampak še vedno samo za wuhanski sev (10/2019) ?


no other mRNA vaccine has ever appeared in just a couple weeks. they take years (unless you were already way ahead on the work.) the payload for moderna came from the NIH. pfizer’s came from bioNtech, a tiny EU co that just happened to get a huge pile of bill gates money in the fall of 2019.

and even now, they cannot build a booster that’s based on delta. so how do you nail the first one in a couple weeks in two different places and then sit unable to to the next one anywhere on earth for 6-9 months?


Zakaj sprašuješ ene in iste stvari kot papiga? Ja, dizajn cepiva lahko in so že spremenili. A jeba, ko mora iti še 1x skozi celoten postopek odobritve. Ne boš verjel, zdaj je sredi postopka.
 

mirsi

Predator
4. jun 2014
7.769
-184
113
Zakaj sprašuješ ene in iste stvari kot papiga? Ja, dizajn cepiva lahko in so že spremenili. A jeba, ko mora iti še 1x skozi celoten postopek odobritve. Ne boš verjel, zdaj je sredi postopka.
Torej je procedura postopka odobritve cepiva krajša, če cepivo začneš izdelovat iz nule, kot pa če narediš tisti mali popravek, za katerega je itak že vnaprej predvideno da bo.
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: javr

Ytbnd

Guru
2. mar 2010
16.196
5.584
113
Norveški nijz

Vaccination status was available for 66 new patients admitted with COVID-19 as the main cause in week 42. Of these 66, 25 (38 %) were unvaccinated and 37 (56 %) were fully vaccinated. The proportion of new fully vaccinated patients per week has, as expected, increased in recent weeks in line with increasing vaccination coverage, but the incidence of new admissions among fully vaccinated has been relatively stable in recent weeks. The median age among 288 fully vaccinated patients with COVID-19 as the main cause until now was 77 years (lower – upper quartile: 63.5–83.5), and 220 (76 %) belonged to risk groups with a high or moderate risk of severe course of COVID-19.
 

AndY1

Guru
Osebje foruma
18. sep 2007
22.038
4.049
113

mosseero

fizik´alc
3. sep 2007
19.317
9.684
113
kod Džej-Zija
Kaj se pa potem hvalijo, da lahko cepivo "v minuti" prilagodijo na drug sev? A niso vedeli, a je potreben nov postopek??
Tisto “v minuti” je v par tednih. Potem ko ga registrirajo, je treba pa izvesti še masovno proizvodnjo. Kaj ti misliš, da par milijonov vial naštepajo čez noč?

In ja, seveda so vedno korak zadaj. Vsaj pri tako mutagenem virusu.
 

mosseero

fizik´alc
3. sep 2007
19.317
9.684
113
kod Džej-Zija
Dokler je najnovejši sev dovolj v žlahti z originalom, sploh ni panike, cepivo prime. Bolj ko ga mutacije oddaljujejo od originala, za katerega je delano cepivo, slabša je učinkovitost. Pri delti(+) smo v situaciji suboptimalne učinkovitosti, kar se tiče preprečitve okužbe. Po drugi strani so pa cepiva učinkovita pri preprečevanju težjega poteka bolezni. Vsekakor precej razredov bolje kot čakati na naravno prekuženost z vsemi potencialnimi posledicami.
 
  • Všeč mi je
Reactions: Matey