Napetost v Ukrajini - Krimu

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CIA igra dolgo igro? Ali pa gre za FSB?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort

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Paul J. Manafort is an American lobbyist and political consultant.

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Manafort was an adviser to the presidential campaigns of George H.W. Bush in 1988,[3] Robert Dole in 1996,[4] George W. Bush, and John McCain. In March 2016 he joined the presidential campaign of Donald Trump to lead Trump's "delegate-corralling" efforts.[5] In April 2016, Manafort gained control of an expanded $20 million budget, hiring decisions, advertising, and media strategy.[6]

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He also worked as an adviser on the Ukrainian presidential campaign of Viktor Yanukovych[9] even as the U.S. government (and McCain) opposed Yanukovych because of his ties to Russia's Vladimir Putin.[4]
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Borys V. Kolesnikov, Yanukovich’s campaign manager, said the party hired Manafort after identifying organizational and other problems in the 2004 elections, in which it was advised by Russian strategists. [9]

In 2010, under Manafort's tutelage, the opposition leader put the Orange Revolution on trial, campaigning against its leaders' management of a weak economy.
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Yanukovych owes his comeback in Ukraine's presidential election to a drastic makeover of his political persona and, people in his party say, that makeover was engineered in part by his American consultant, Manafort.[9]

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Tole zgoraj je Donald J. Drumpf.
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September 2007:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/world/europe/30ukraine.html

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Once a divisive figure reviled by some here as a shady reactionary and Kremlin pawn, Prime Minister Viktor F. Yanukovich has turned into arguably the nation’s most popular politician.

On the eve of critical parliamentary elections, Mr. Yanukovich now calls himself an anticorruption reformer who wants to move Ukraine closer to the West.

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Though the strategist, Paul J. Manafort, has sought to remain behind the scenes, his handiwork has been evident in Mr. Yanukovich’s tightly organized campaign events, in his pointed speeches and in how he has presented himself to the world.

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On the stump this week, Mr. Yanukovich has repeatedly declared that he is the only politician who can bring stability to a nation weary of political turmoil.

“I understand your dreams,” he told supporters at a rally, before echoing a line from former President Bill Clinton. “I feel your pain, and I share in your desire to make Ukraine a land of opportunity.”

He added, “I want you to know who I am, not who my opponents try to say that I am.”

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Mr. Manafort, whose partner, Rick Davis, manages the presidential campaign of Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, said Thursday that he would not discuss his advice to Mr. Yanukovich or how much he is being paid. But Mr. Manafort said he believed that the prime minister was an outstanding leader who had been badly misunderstood.

“The West has not been willing to move beyond the cold war mentality and to see this man and the outreach that he has extended,” said Mr. Manafort


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Mr. Yanukovich was introduced to Mr. Manafort by Rinat Akhmetov, a Yanukovich supporter and billionaire industrialist who is Ukraine’s richest man. Mr. Manafort was then advising Mr. Akhmetov on improving the image of his companies.

To undercut Mr. Yanukovich’s more polished campaign, his opponents have charged that oligarchs like Mr. Akhmetov are simply buying a better candidate.

“They are just packaging him in a new cover and educating him in some techniques to use,” said Hryhoriy Nemyria, a Tymoshenko adviser. “It’s the same Soviet and post-Soviet political culture.”
 

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5. oklepno brigado iz Rusije so pa pozabili posnet?


Video ima angleške podnapise.
 

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Nekaj konteksta bo izgubljenega, ampak če se komu mudi, lahko preskoči na 15. minuto.
 

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Dva F-22 sta po novem v Constanti. V 25ih minutah po vzletu sta lahko kjerkoli nad Črnim morjem.


http://www.businessinsider.com/f22-to-romania-2016-4

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The US has deployed two of its most advanced fighter jets to Romania in order to better keep an eye on Russian activity in the Black Sea, the Air Force Times reports.

The two F-22 Raptors are part of a supporting US force that has been deployed to NATO member Romania. The aircraft are there as part of a mission intended to "bolster the security of NATO allies and partners in Europe," according to a US Air Force press release.

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"These aircraft have the ability to project air dominance quickly, at great distances, to defeat any possible threat," Lt. Gen. Timothy Ray, 3rd Air Force commander, said in a release.

Toliko o NATO željah po nepotopljivi letalonosilki - Krimu. Strateški nesmisel za to lužico.
 

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In ko bo Rusija odgovorila na ta premik NATO oborožitve proti ruskim mejam (in bodi prepričan, da bo), bo spet vik in krik o ruski agresivnosti.

Mimogrede, zanimivi komentarji v novici, ki si jo prilimal.
 

Matey

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Prav zares.

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Tmac on Apr 25, 2:10 PM said:
"... in order to better keep an eye on Russian activity in the Black Sea"

Sure, cause I'm sure America doesn't have satellites that can do that.

More senseless provocation from NATO. For the first time since Hitler, a foreign army is a massing troops on Russia's borders. If Russia sent 2 Boy Scouts to Mexico it would be WW III.

Russia annexed a Russian piece of territory, where the people spoke Russian and wanted to be Russian, without killing a single person. This is considered by the West as a "aggression."

The US / NATO have bombed the f*ck out of Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, as well as the rise of ISIS, and somehow this is just a walk in the park.

The hypocrisy is sickening
 

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Uporabnik AndY1 pravi:
In ko bo Rusija odgovorila na ta premik NATO oborožitve proti ruskim mejam (in bodi prepričan, da bo), bo spet vik in krik o ruski agresivnosti.

Mimogrede, zanimivi komentarji v novici, ki si jo prilimal.

Ker imam polno kepo ZDA propagande:
v google "russia wants war"
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pacman naj trola naprej, pomoje je dobro plačan, druge je idi0t če dela za kokice.
 

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@AndY1 & Matey

Njihov problem. Gre za odgovor na aneksijo Krima, ki ga spreminjajo v bunker (S-300/400 in K-300 sistemi, letalstvo, govori se o namestitvi jedrskega orožja), česar je bil v prvi vrsti obtožen NATO. Čisti strateški nesmisel, nismo več v 19. stoletju, ko si molil za dober veter. Prižgeš afterburner pa je.


Tako ali tako je J (Turčija) in Z (Romunija, Bolgarija) obala Črnega morja v natu. Nobene potrebe po Krimu, če si res želiš baz. Romunija celo lobira za novo črnomorsko floto, ampak jim verjetno ne bo uspelo.

http://www.janes.com/article/5...on-in-late-2016

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On 31 January 2016, Defence Minister Mihnea Motoc stated that in February Romania would put forward a proposal for a permanent North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) Black Sea fleet, to be discussed at the July Warsaw Summit.

Dodaten problem je še hinavsko sodelovanje Rusije v ukrajinskem konfliktu, ki se mu po novem reče hibridna vojna. Uradno zagovarjajo mir, nato pa odgrneš zaveso in vidiš, da čez mejo švercajo visokozmogljive sisteme zračne obrambe, s katerim so pomotoma sklatili potniško letalo s 300 dušami na krovu.

In niso toliko človeški, da bi dogodek priznali.



Vsekakor dovolj razlogov, da se okoliškim državam nekoliko tresejo hlače. Bolje, da jih podpremo sedaj, kot pa da se kaj zgodi in uveljavljajo 5. člen.

@Ytbnd

Propagandna slika.

Nata v Aziji in Afriki ni, prisotnost na BV pa je omejena na posredovanje v Afganistanu, ki ga je Rusija močno podprla. Ampak tudi tam so večino baz že zaprli, Vključno s tisto v Kazahstanu.
 

boomslang

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Jej, jej, kok enga vekanja zaradi Krima.... Tako, kot je prišel ( bil šenkan ) Ukrajini, tako je tudi odšel.... Zaključena zgodba... S Krimom, se ukvarjajo samo še полезные дураки in kakšen, zabit neonaci plitvoumnež....
 

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To ni "kar en Krim", ampak teritorij republike Ukrajine, ki ji je bila l. 1994 v zameno za jedrsko oborožitev obljubljena ozemeljska integriteta.

Če je to ruska ideja mednarodnih odnosov, tudi prav. Vsaj vemo, pri čem smo. Ampak ne vekat, ko jih nihče ne šmirgla 5%.
 

AndY1

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Uporabnik Pac_Man pravi:
To ni "kar en Krim", ampak teritorij republike Ukrajine, ki ji je bila l. 1994 v zameno za jedrsko oborožitev obljubljena ozemeljska integriteta.

Rusiji je bilo tudi obljubljeno neširjenje NATA proti vzhodu... in?
 

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Seveda ni še nič sprejeto.

http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-us-bill-sanctions/27707600.html

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A new bill in the U.S. Congress would prevent the White House from lifting a raft of sanctions against Russia until Ukraine restores control over Crimea, which Moscow forcibly annexed in 2014, or settles the peninsula's status to Kyiv's satisfaction.

The legislation, announced on April 29 by U.S. Representatives Eliot Engel (Democrat-New York) and Adam Kinzinger (Republican-Illinois), aims to bolster U.S. support for Kyiv with measures that include tightened sanctions against Russia and a push for greater private investment in the Ukrainian economy.

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The bill would require that the U.S. president, prior to lifting a raft of Ukraine-related sanctions, submit "certification" to Congress that Ukraine has restored "sovereignty" over Crimea or that the peninsula's status has been resolved to the satisfaction "of a democratically elected government" in Kyiv.

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The legislation would also codify the U.S. government’s policy of nonrecognition of Russian authority over Crimea, mirroring Washington's policy of refusing to recognize Soviet sovereignty over the Baltic nations of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

It also directs the U.S. administration "to consult with the government of Ukraine and seek to establish an international consortium to drive private investment in Ukraine by minimizing and pooling political risk to would-be private investors," Engel's office said in a statement.
 

Pac_Man

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Da, ustavimo fašistične koloradske hrošče.











https://news.pn/en/RussiaInvadedUkraine/132369

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The Odessa shooter who participated in mass riots on May 2, 2014, acts on Russian television.

About it on Friday, May 1, on the page on a social network «Facebook» the journalist Andrey Bashtovoy reported.

So, in the propaganda transfer on the Russian TV dated for last year's events on May 2 in Odessa among participants Eduard Ayrapetyan who shot people from the gun was noticed.




 

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Doolg članek o novem Trumpovem vodji kampanije, ki je delal tudi za Janukoviča, njegova firma za McCaina. Precej je napisanega tudi o plinskih & drugih poslih v Rusiji in Ukrajini pa še malo o Črni gori za bonus.

http://www.slate.com/articles/...ng_tyrants.html

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In 2005, the Ukrainian oligarch Rinat Ahmetov summoned Manafort to Kiev. Ahmetov hailed from Donetsk, the Russian-oriented heavy-industry east of the country. Ahmetov had cause for panic. The best political hope for his region, and, more to the point, his own business interests, was a gruff politician called Victor Yanukovych. As a teen, Yanukovych spent three years in prison for robbery and assault. After his release, he was again arrested for assault. None of this past history—these “youthful mistakes,” which he once instructed the KGB to expunge from his record—slowed his rise through the political ranks. In 2002, he served a brief stint as prime minister in a sclerotic pro-Russian government, mired in corruption scandals.

When Ahmetov summoned Manafort, in 2005, his candidate had suffered a crushing defeat. Yanukovych had just run for president of Ukraine, a campaign that involved rampant fraud and the possible poisoning of his opponent with dioxin. His bid ended in massive protests against him and his crude attempts to overturn the will of the people. The protests, the Orange Revolution, were a burst of optimism that Ukraine might transcend its past and take its seat as a European-style democracy. They should have destroyed Yanukovych’s career.

Yanukovych seemed a hopeless case. “A kleptocratic goon, a pig who wouldn’t take lipstick” is how one American consultant who worked in Ukraine described him. Yet Manafort saw hope, as well as a handsome paycheck. Despite Yanukovych’s Soviet style, Manafort considered him political clay that could be molded. “He saw raw talent where others didn’t and he shaped it brilliantly,” one former State Department official told me. Manafort set about giving Yanukovych a new look: well-tailored suits, shirts and ties that matched, a haircut that tamed his raging bouffant. Manafort taught the pol a few simple lessons that helped sand down his edges. He showed him how to wave to a crowd, rather than keep his arms locked to his sides. He instructed him to refrain from speaking off the cuff. He taught him how to display a modicum of empathy when listening to the stories of voters. “I feel your pain,” Yanukovych would now exclaim at his rallies. One Ukrainian columnist cheekily asked his readers to identify the 10 elements of Yanukovych rallies that Manafort had imported from the Republican conventions he’d run.

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At the same time, Manafort understood how to accentuate divisions in the Ukrainian electorate. He had overseen Reagan’s Southern strategy; he understood the power of cultural polarization. His polling showed that Yanukovych could consolidate his base by stoking submerged grievances. Even though there was little evidence of the mistreatment of Russian language speakers by the Ukrainian state, he encouraged his candidate to make an issue of imagined abuses to rally their base. To the same end, he instructed Yanukovych to rage against NATO, which he did by condemning joint operations the alliance was conducting in Crimea.

When American Ambassador William Taylor arrived in Kiev in 2006, he summoned Manafort to a meeting in his office. Manafort would become a fixture in the offices of American ambassadors to Ukraine, the U.S. government’s primary conduit to Yanukovych and the pro-Russian camp. As Taylor told a group of American democracy activists just after the meeting, he had asked Manafort to tamp down Yanukovych’s criticisms of the joint operations NATO was conducting with the Ukrainians. The implications of his ask were clear: The interests of American security were hurt by such rhetoric. “American to American, I’m asking you to talk to him.” Manafort scoffed at the notion. He bluntly announced that he wouldn’t ask Yanukovych to dial back the rhetoric. It polled too well.

To be fair, Manafort was hardly the only American in Yanukovych’s orbit. Bernie Sanders’ consultant Tad Devine went to work for him in 2009. Ukrainians spent heavily in Washington, hiring a small army of top-drawer Republican lobbyists, including former congressmen Vin Weber and Billy Tauzin, to bolster Yanukovych’s image in Washington and ultimately stave off American support for Ukrainian democracy.

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In 2005, John McCain received a call from a staffer on the National Security Council. There was a problem, the staffer told the senator. The man orchestrating McCain’s presidential campaign was Paul Manafort’s partner, a lobbyist named Rick Davis. The administration wanted the senator’s help dialing back the duo’s work in Ukraine, two top McCain aides told me. By promoting enemies of the Orange Revolution, they were undermining American policy.

The call came after Manafort and Davis had already drawn McCain into their eastern escapades. It wasn’t just Ukraine. That year, the pair had consulted on behalf of pro-independence forces in the tiny principality of Montenegro, which wanted to exit Serbia and become its own sovereign republic. On the surface, this sounded noble enough, so noble that McCain called Montenegro’s independence the “greatest European democracy project since the end of the Cold War.”

A report in the Nation, however, showed that the Montenegrin campaign wasn’t remotely what McCain described. The independence initiative was championed by a fantastically wealthy Russian mogul called Oleg Deripaska. Deripaska had parochial reasons for promoting independence. He had just purchased Montenegro’s aluminum industry and intended to buy broader swaths of its economy. But he was also doing the bidding of Vladimir Putin, on whose good graces the fate of all Russian business ultimately hangs. The Nation quoted Deripaska boasting that “the Kremlin wanted an area of influence in the Mediterranean.”


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Not everyone within the McCain camp felt comfortable with this relationship. One group of aides pushed hard for McCain to fire Rick Davis for sullying the senator with the firm’s muck. McCain intended to do just that. The senator had backed the cause of Ukrainian democracy and he couldn’t stomach his top aide’s firm working to undermine it. What’s more, aides had come to McCain with the rumor that Deripaska had purchased an apartment in Trump Tower for Davis and Manafort. But in the moment, McCain lost his nerve, as his aides have recounted the episode. Davis supplied a tear-filled soliloquy that saved his job. “Rick’s plea somehow worked—and that was the root of the divisions that tore apart the campaign,” one of McCain’s top advisers told me.

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Deripaska wasn’t the only dubious oligarch to invest with Manafort. He orchestrated a major deal with a Ukrainian called Dmitry Firtash. A fireman and soldier, Firtash found ways to flourish in the post-Soviet economy as a middleman, selling natural gas—by his own admission, he did so thanks to his connections with Seymon Mogilevich, the Russian Mafia’s “boss of bosses.”

But his crucial connection was to Vladimir Putin. Firtash’s grand scheme was detailed in a thorough investigation published by Reuters. Gazprom, the Russian state-owned natural gas conglomerate, would sell to Firtash at a deep discount. Firtash, in turn, resold the gas to the Ukrainian government, investing the profit in funding for pro-Putin politicians, including Victor Yanukovych.

Reuters was blunt in describing the pernicious effect of Firtash’s dealings:

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It demonstrates how Putin uses Russian state assets to create streams of cash for political allies, and how he exported this model to Ukraine in an attempt to dominate his neighbour, which he sees as vital to Russia’s strategic interests. With the help of Firtash, Yanukovich won power and went on to rule Ukraine for four years. The relationship had great geopolitical value for Putin: Yanukovich ended up steering the nation of more than 44 million away from the West’s orbit and towards Moscow’s until he was overthrown in February.

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It was a good moment for Firtash to park his cash in Manhattan. His arch-enemy Yulia Tymoshenko, an old natural gas broker herself, had come to power a year earlier. She moved aggressively against Firtash, whose company she described as “a wart on the body.” She cut her own deal with Putin for the supply of energy, eliminating Firtash from the business. And she seized his massive stockpile of gas, effectively nationalizing the source of his fortune.

Defeating Tymoshenko thus became Firtash’s primary goal in life. He spent heavily on Yanukovych’s campaign against her in 2010. Fortunately for Firtash, Manafort was on the job. When the consultant first arrived in Kiev, Yanukovych was the subject of near universal derision. But his years of grooming Yanukovych, and perfecting his political machinery, carried him to victory—a narrow win rooted in the missteps of his opponents, but one that would have never happened without skilled reinvention. Marveling at this accomplishment, the Ukranian journalist Mustafa Nayeem wrote that Manafort was “the only person who really adapted to Ukrainian political reality.”

As soon as Yanukovych came to power, he restored Firtash’s business. Most important, the new government settled a lawsuit that Firtash had filed objecting to Tymoshenko’s seizure of his gas. As part of the settlement, the government handed $3 billion worth of natural gas to Firtash: his old stash plus an extra billion cubic meters of gas thrown into the deal as compensation for his troubles. Der Spiegel, which reviewed the text of the settlement, concluded, “Viktor Yanukovych, the president of Ukraine, served the commercial interests of an oligarch with whom he has close ties—at the expense of his own country. And, in doing so, he also did Moscow a favor.”