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Kar počne rjuhar se imenuje https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya .

pa ti ves da to velja za siite? cisto tako btw?
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The doctrine of taqiyya was developed at the time of Ja'far al-Sadiq (d. 148 AH/765 AD), the sixth Imamiya Imam. It served to protect Shias when Al-Mansur, the Abbasid caliph, conducted a brutal and oppressive campaign against Alids and their supporters.[21] Religious dissimulation or Taqiyya while maintaining mental reservation is considered lawful in Shi'ism "in situations where there is overwhelming danger of loss of life or property and where no danger to religion would occur thereby". Shi'is lived mostly as a minority among a frequently-hostile Sunni majority- until the rise of Safavid dynasty. This condition made taqiyya doctrine important to Shias.
 

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Ve kdo kaj več? Sem pa bil ravno pred tednom dni v Europarku v MB in so se tam zadrževali neki prepečeni "sirci", niso bili cigani.
 

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Ve kdo kaj več? Sem pa bil ravno pred tednom dni v Europarku v MB in so se tam zadrževali neki prepečeni "sirci", niso bili cigani.

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eazy

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Matey
Kar počne rjuhar se imenuje https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya .

Zanimivo, hvala za link. Un fašist easy bo pa tako ali tako zanikal vse ter naprej metal nepoučenost pa tudi če bi šlo za 10000% resnico.

Moras bit konkretno zahojen da gres prodajati sunitu neko siitsko zadevo glede vehabitov... Zagotovo se zavedas kak kretenizem bi bil to?
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Matey

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No kot sem rekel - nismo dovolj poučeni o tem in posledično ne moremo razpravljat o tem. Opcije, da se pa med razpravo kaj novega naučimo in s tem ugotovimo, da kaj v določeni novici ni ravno najbolj resnično pa seveda ni. In ker ti veš vse ampak res VSE in si povedal, da je to nesmisel, se lahko debata zaključi. Hvala ti easy, kaj bi mi brez tebe
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eazy

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No kot sem rekel - nismo dovolj poučeni o tem in posledično ne moremo razpravljat o tem. Opcije, da se pa med razpravo kaj novega naučimo in s tem ugotovimo, da kaj v določeni novici ni ravno najbolj resnično pa seveda ni. In ker ti veš vse ampak res VSE in si povedal, da je to nesmisel, se lahko debata zaključi. Hvala ti easy, kaj bi mi brez tebe
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Sej ni treba znati vse... Samo (znati) brati je treba. Ce bi kliknil na njegov link bi videl da je malce zasel
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Qshtr

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Moraš biti konkretno zahojen, da ne prebereš kaj piše:

"The basic principle of taqiyya is agreed upon by Sunni scholars, though they tend to restrict it to dealing with non-Muslims and when under compulsion (ikrāh), while Shia jurists also allow it in interactions with Muslims and in all necessary matters (ḍarūriyāt)."

Torej Suniti raje lažejo nemuslimanom.
 

Matey

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No kot sem rekel - nismo dovolj poučeni o tem in posledično ne moremo razpravljat o tem. Opcije, da se pa med razpravo kaj novega naučimo in s tem ugotovimo, da kaj v določeni novici ni ravno najbolj resnično pa seveda ni. In ker ti veš vse ampak res VSE in si povedal, da je to nesmisel, se lahko debata zaključi. Hvala ti easy, kaj bi mi brez tebe
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Sej ni treba znati vse... Samo (znati) brati je treba. Ce bi kliknil na njegov link bi videl da je malce zasel
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Sem kliknil in začel brati ampak ne nekje na sredini, kjer si ti našel material za svoj citat ampak lepo počasi berem in prevajam vse sproti ter si na podlagi tega počasi ustvarjam mnenje. Tudi do zaključka glede tebe nisem prišel v 5ih minutah ampak to ocenjevanje traja že več let, dobesedno.
 

eazy

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Moraš biti konkretno zahojen, da ne prebereš kaj piše:

"The basic principle of taqiyya is agreed upon by Sunni scholars, though they tend to restrict it to dealing with non-Muslims and when under compulsion (ikrāh), while Shia jurists also allow it in interactions with Muslims and in all necessary matters (ḍarūriyāt)."

Torej Suniti raje lažejo nemuslimanom.

Ce ze citiramo... Dejmo to poceti v kontekstu....
In Sunni jurisprudence protecting one's belief during extreme or exigent circumstances is called idtirar (إضطرار), which translates to "being forced" or "being coerced", and this word is not specific to concealing the faith; for example, under the jurisprudence of idtirar one is allowed to consume prohibited food to avoid starving to death.[38] Additionally, denying one's faith under duress is "only at most permitted and not under all circumstances obligatory".[10] Al-Tabari comments on sura XVI, verse 106 (Tafsir, Bulak 1323, xxiv, 122): "If any one is compelled and professes unbelief with his tongue, while his heart contradicts him, in order to escape his enemies, no blame falls on him, because God takes his servants as their hearts believe." This verse was recorded after Ammar Yasir was forced by the idolaters of Mecca to recant his faith and denounce the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Al-Tabari explains that concealing one's faith is only justified if the person is in mortal danger, and even then martyrdom is considered a noble alternative. If threatened, it would be preferable for a Muslim to migrate to a more peaceful place where a person may practice their faith openly, "since God's earth is wide."[10] In Hadith, in the Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, known as the Fath al-Bari, it is stated that:[39]

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Qshtr

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Bulšit... ti si hotel prikazati da je taqiya izključno šiitska zadeva... kar pa očitno ni res.
 

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Bulšit... ti si hotel prikazati da je taqiya izključno šiitska zadeva... kar pa očitno ni res.

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The doctrine of taqiyya was developed at the time of Ja'far al-Sadiq (d. 148 AH/765 AD), the sixth Imamiya Imam. It served to protect Shias when Al-Mansur, the Abbasid caliph, conducted a brutal and oppressive campaign against Alids and their supporters.


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